SUN OF TABRIZ
suppose you are able to make an interview with
Hazrat Shams-e Tabrizi.. What would you ask him?
Perhaps some of your questions are similar to
the ones as given below:
You are so famous that you really need no introduction.
Your name Shams means ‘sun’…
A: When someone is born in the sun itself, from
birth he opens his eyes to the sun and becomes
accustomed to it. They tell him: ‘Speak of the
moon, speak of Mercury”. How can I speak of them?
Does the sun even know that there is a moon in
Q: Can you tell us something about your relationship
with Mawlana Rumi?
A: When I came to Mawlana, the first stipulation was
that I was not coming to be a shaykh. God has not
yet brought to the face of the earth someone who could
be Mawlana’s shaykh. That would not be a mortal. And
I am not such that I could be a disciple. Nothing
of that remains for me.
now I am Mawlana’s friend, and I am certain that Mawlana
is the friend of God. In this I make no repudation
or honour. Now, the friend of God’s friend is God’s
friend – this has been established.
What is your opinion about the retreat?
A: Be among the people, but be alone. Don’t go into
seclusion, but be solitary.
I wonder at the hadith that says: “This world
is the prison of the believer”.
A: Me, I’ve made the prison a garden for myself.
If my prison is a garden, just think what my garden
Q: I’d like to test you and see if you are a stand-up
comedian. So tell me a joke, right now!
A: A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim were friends. They
found some money and prepared halva. It was late:
“We’ll eat it tomorrow. But it isn’t much. Whoever
has a fine dream will eat it.
Christian said: “Jesus came down and pulled me
The Jew said: “Moses took me to gaze upon paradise”.
The Muslim said: “Muhammad came. He said; ‘Helpless
fellow! Jesus has taken one of them to the fourth
heaven, and Moses took the other to paradise.
You’re deprived and helpless. At least get up
and eat the halva’. So I got up and ate the halva”.
Q: The are many New Age fans of Mawlana Rumi. Even
Madonna has brought out music with ‘his’ poetry.
A: I wonder what these people think friendship with
God is. That God who created the heavens, who created
the earth, who made the universe appear – is His friendship
gained so easily that you come in and sit before Him,
you talk and you listen? Do you fancy this is a soup
kitchen? You come in and you drink it down? Then you
Q: You will know that in the qawwali of the Chishti
Sufis often the poetry of Mawlana Rumi is being used.
Can you quote an example?
Here is an example but I am not sure if Mawlana
ever wrote it:
foolishly nor frivolously, in the lane and the
market, I roam.
Possessed by the temperament of the lover I am,
to have a glimpse, I roam.
O, God, the Almighty! Shower Your mercy upon me,
disturbed and distracted, I roam.
I am guilty, I am sinful and in this wretched
condition, I roam.
The wine of fondness I drink and round the Friend,
Like the intoxicated I talk, but like the wise,
Sometimes I laugh, sometimes I weep, sometimes
I fall, sometimes I rise.
The Messiah is within my heart and like an invalid,
Come, o my Beloved! Come! Help you your Mawlana
I am a slave of Shams Tabrizi and like a qalandar,
Q: Anything else you want to say to us?
A: Safar-e mubarak! May your journey be blessed!